Friday, 22 April 2011

Laying a Limecrete Floor Part 1

This might be a bit detailed for some of you, but I have been researching the use of limecrete as a breathable kitchen floor for some time and have found very little good advice on t'internet; hence I thought that some detail in the public domain might be found useful.  I shall publish another entry soon detailing some other events of the week.

This week, at last, I bit the bullet and engaged Chris and Shane to dig out the existing floor and help me lay the limecrete slab.  The general deal was that they would do the physical bit and I would provide the technical know-how (aided by desperate telephone calls to Mike Wye).  Of course life is not like that and so I am now absolutely shattered (as indeed they are, and they are half my age!).

When we first saw the kitchen I immediately knew that we would have to sort the floor (photo right).  The red and black 6" quarry tiles, in a pleasing diagonal pattern, were damp and sadly neglected.  They were suffering from a variety of additional coverings (like rotted lino and bitumen), and many (mostly red ones) had lost their flat surface entirely, revealing a pitted face with a white bloom.  I tried various techniques of cleaning but nothing persuaded me (far less Jane!) that we would be able to live with the end result for the duration of our intended retirement.  Delaying this was not an option as there would be no real way of doing it once we had fitted the new kitchen and were living in the house.  Another issue was the strip of bare concrete (foreground on photo) which ran across the room where there used to be a wall; this pre-dated the tiles, as the diagonal lines on either side did not match! 

I made an early decision that what I wanted to do was to lay a breathable limecrete floor, and researched this on the internet.  It can be difficult to get Building Control approval for this material, but there is an exemption for listed buildings on account of the foundations usually being shallower than the required depth to meet Part L (Conservation of Fuel and Power).  I knew that the foundations were about 8 or 9 inches below the floor level, and the essential detail here is to dig down at 45 degrees from the walls at a point a small way above the bottom of the foundations so that the integrity of the walls  is not affected.  If you are cautious like me then that small way is about 6 inches.

I got the team at Mike Wye to do the materials quotation which also gave me the essential design of the floor.  It seemed to me that the quantities required were enormous (4 tons in photo left) so I asked them to do it again; the result was the same so I just had to trust their figures.  Of course, they were very accurate - see later. Their design uses LECA (lightweight expanded clay aggregate) which comes in various sizes but essentially looks like an unappetizing version of Maltesers without any chocolate.  A coated version of LECA is used as a loose lay foundation; this allows the floor to breathe but does not allow any water to rise by capilliary action.  On top of this the main slab is made of a slightly smaller LECA, uncoated (presumably to allow better binding), mixed with NHL5 (Natural Hydraulic Lime).  A breathable membrane is used both below and above the loose lay LECA to prevent migration between the layers.  On top of the slab a screed of NHL5 and sharp sand is laid, on which the chosen floor surface is laid.  Most of the insulation is from the loose lay so I chose to use 200mm of this, with a 100mm slab on top.  This was the task for the week, as we will let it go off before laying the screed and flagstones.

The first task was to remove all the tiles - only about 900 of them - and then Chris and Shane removed (in about three minutes) the old (1950s) fireplace - see result in photo left.  What I had not really bargained on was how much spoil there would be (photo right), and the sheer physical effort in getting it out of the house. Everything had to be lifted up a couple of feet  - well, we were digging down - and extracted through the fairly narrow single French door.
I estimate that they removed something like 10 tons of lime mortar and soil in three days, all by hand through that single doorway.  The end result was basically an empty swimming pool where there will soon be a kitchen.  I also removed about half a ton of rubble which filled the old fireplace - compare the photo left (after excavation, with membrane laid) with the one above.  I was expecting to build a rectangular alcove for the new woodburning stove, and it was there all the time! 

So we worked along from the far end, laying the loose lay LECA with the membrane over it up to a bit of temporary shuttering, then the slab mixture on top up to a couple of feet back.  Then we added LECA in front of the shuttering, removed the shuttering, unrolled the membrane and added more slab mixture, and so moved on.  The addition of the LECA in front of the shuttering is key as otherwise the edge would move significantly when the shuttering is removed and this might allow the slab mixture to drop down a bit.  Here's Chris (right) doing a bit of levelling with some marker stakes for the next bit of shuttering.

 
Finally, we had a floor slab.  I know it doesn't look much for the result of so much work, but I'm convinced that it's a good way of controlling dampness in such an old building.

We actually received 84 bags of the loose lay LECA, and 42 of the stuff to mix with the mortar; we used 81 and 38 respectively - a surplus is far preferable to running out.  The LECA totalled about three tons, and we also used almost exactly half a ton of NHL5.  All that remained was to clear up, including removing the remaining mortar (for the screed next week) from the lawn to the house.  I have to confess that I was surprised to see the entire lawn cleared in just seven hours, and I bet the neighbours were as well, considering that half of the lawn is theirs!

10 comments:

neuebiene said...

Hi Matthew, a very informative and interesting blog post about limecrete (as are parts 2 & 3) -- thank you! We are thinking of doing the same thing ourselves in an old farmhouse in Germany. However, the devil as always is in the details.

One problem which has arisen is the question of what type of LECA to use. You mentioned using coated LECA for the loose lay. I've googled for this, but it would seem that the type commonly used in the UK (Leca brand, correct?) is not available in Germany. Therefore, I am trying to figure out what an acceptable substitute would be. Do you happen to know what the nature of the coating on the clay balls is? And could you tell me what size they are -- and whether there is only one acceptable size range?

Kevin

Matthew C said...

I got my LECA from Mike Wye, and you can find more info at http://limecrete.net/ (which includes a couple of photos of my floor!). There doesn't seem to be a brand name, but you MUST use the coated LECA for the loosefill underneath, as the uncoated is porous (and used in the slab). I think it is basically a ceramic coating. The size range is 10-20mm for the coated and I think I used 0-20mm for the uncoated in the slab itself. HTH.
NB A good alternative is recycled foamed glass (RFG)

neuebiene said...

Just to follow up, we are going with the RFG because coated LECA seems pretty much unobtainable in our part of Europe, even though it is made in Denmark! The RFG seems to be pretty affordable, though, at €70/m³, not including delivery.

neuebiene said...

Matthew, hope you don't mind a few more questions. You laid a 100mm limecrete slab ... did you do this in two stages, 50mm + 50mm, or did you do it all in one pass? If the former, did you create some sort of mechanical "key" between the layers, and if so, how? And was the first layer firm enough that you could move across it when applying the second layer?

Matthew C said...

Hi Neuebiene
The answer is that we did it all in one go. It never occurred to me to do it in two and in any case I can't see the point as you only make difficulties for yourself as your questions indicate. The only issue we had was that the LECA was onl cautiously tamped, and so it compacted as we laid the slab; I think we could have been more careful about loading the mix evenly onto the membrane.

We were mixing, and then barrowing all the mix through a narrow doorway and then down, and we still did it all in one day. Just go for it!

Unknown said...

Hi Matthew,

I have bought a 1845 Manse and I am going lay the limecrete floor also. I have already the RFG down and this summer I plan to do the slab. My question is what was the size of the room you did ?.

thanks in advance,

Matthew C said...

Our floor is 3.5m x 6.0m. It was a lot of work for three of us as there was a lot of spoil to be shifted, all by hand!

Anonymous said...

Hi Matthew
Very impressed by all your efforts. We are laying a limecrete floor in our kitchen, from your reference we are using Mike Wye and they have been terrific. How long did you leave limecrete slab before putting on final screed into which to lay flagstones. Did you lay flags straight on top of this final layer ? Also when you laid initial limecrete slab did you get "balling" of mix, we did to some degree and we were wondering if this affected the final strength of slab?

Thanks

Tim


Matthew C said...

Hi Tim

As I recall (it's four years ago now!), we did the screed about two weeks after the slab. Then that was left for as long as I could (another two weeks I think) before we laid the flagstones on a bed of mortar. I was working to a tight timescale with the fitting of the kitchen, and had to wait for the flags to be well set before grouting which obviously had to precede the kitchen fitment. In actual fact, the NHL seemed to set quite quickly and I think we could have done it with less waiting time.

As regards balling, yes, we had that in the drum mixer. I wanted to use a pan mixer but couldn't find one to hire at the right time. The lad who did the mixing spent a few minutes at the end of each mix with his hand in the drum holding a trowel to reduce the balling. So long as the balls are of a mixture not neat NHL or neat sand, i wouldn't think it affects the strength much.

Saif Shahab said...

good info